“A lo mojo” esto nunca lo escucha nadie

[Chibuli]

Nota aclaratoria

Nota aclaratoria

A la atencion de el Sr Virgilio,y resto de compañeros campistas:
En primer lugar pido disculpas por si mi intervención en este hilo,a molestado a alguien,y en segundo lugar explicar que cuando dije que los gobiernos MIENTEN deliberadamente,lo dije con conocimiento de causa,y lo mantengo,y yo no me vaso en articulos de periodista sensacionalistas,y mucho menos en diretes parroquiales de taberna,me vaso en mi experiencia como técnico de investigación del consejo superior de investigaciones cientificas,y mi participación en muchisimos estudios sobre asuntos de los cuales no salen a la pinion publica,y cuando salen,salen transjibersados,me da igual quien este en el gobierno,pero si diria que antes de hablar de algo,hay que informarse y a poder ser contrastar temas,y para terminar y bajo estudios realizados,y me refiero a estudios oficiales si digo que el gobierno Aznar.mintio,miente y mentira mas que habla.
Saludos.

 

[xosero]

saludos

Bien yo solo hare una reflexion en voz alta para intentar que este hilo no siga por derroteros que a nadie va a beneficiar, primero dire que por muchas vueltas que se le quiera dar al tema, el daño ya se sufrio, y lo unico que debemos intentar ahora es que no se vuelva a repetir, tambien dire que vivimos en una sociedad madura y que creo, que cualquier opinion es personal e intransferible, asi como respetable, tambien dire que,de lo que podemos sentirnos orgullosos toda la sociedad y no solo la gallega, es de la solidaridad de todos ante una desgracia de tales magnitudes, solo hace falta echar la vista atras, y ,ver como cientos de autobuses llegaban a nuestra tierra llenos de personas que lo unico que tenian en mente era paliar los daños sufridos, o ver a eses marineros con sus embarcaciones, salian al mar al encuentro del maldito chapapote.

Creo que lo unico que debemos hacer es recordarlo como un amargo episodio, y, realmente poner medios para que no se vuelva a repetir, sin entrar a juzgar que estuvo bien o mal,para eso ya les pagamos a los encargados de hacerlo.

No quiero con este pensamiento levantar mas polemica, todo lo contrario, y si con ello estoy ofendiendo o molestando pido perdon anticipadamente.

Dejemos la politica a los politicos y nosotros disfrutemos de lo que nos gusta que es el campismo.

PERDON Y ABUR

 

[virgilio]

Sr, Chibuli con mi respuestas, creo esta claro, no era para usted , pero dado su amabilidad al dirgirme su respuesta y dado sus ganas seguir con el tema, y ya que segun sus palabras "Aznar mintio.miemte y....mentira mas que habla" veo que es usted capaz de adivinar el futuro digame usted, si es tan amable quien de estos politicos han mentido o acabaran en la carcel (como la otra vez)

ZP al prometerles en campaña electoral que aprobatia el estatuto catalan que se aprobase en cataluña tal y como llegase sin tocarlo , y ahora donde dige digo ...digo diego.
El sr carod por llamar publicamente "acojonado" a zp ¿es un acojonado ZP? o..¿es un inconsciente?
el sr carod por aceptar 460 millones de regalo de la caixa por "servicios prestados o a prestar"
El sr. ministro montilla por la misma razon , pero este con 1.000 millones.(que barata le va a salir endesa a la caixa)
E l sr Moratinos por la "sensibilidad" de ir a prestar ayuda a los paises pobres de africa en forma de "venta de armas" para que se sigan matando felizmente.
ETC ETC ETC......

P.D. Sigo pensando que no es el sitio para hablar de esto....pero si insistis....

 

[Chibuli]

Sr Virgilio,si usted estimara que este no es el stio para hablar de politica,no lo huviera hecho jamas,es mas me atreveria a decir que le gusta y bastante,ya que me narra con todo lujo de detalle ciertas cosas,que me interesan muy poco y se desvian del hilo completamente.o quizas sea usted el interesado en desviarlo.
Sepa usted,que solo me interesan los hechos ocurridos alli,y sobre todo la respuesta popular,entre los cuales junto a mi familia me incluyo´,lección que algunos personajes deberian aprenderse,pero el orgullo no les deja.
Saludos.

 

[virgilio]

Sr chibuli veo que , segun dice, le interesan los hechos ocurridos hay, bien, eso es ser pragmatico si sr, entonces le interesara saver QUE :
1º El barco no era español
2ª la compañia que lo fleto no era española, era de gibraltar
3ºel capitan no era español era griego
4º la procedencia no era de ningun puerto español, venia de rusia
y el destino ningun puerto español.
5º desde luego el barco no lo partio ni el PP NI AZNAR
6º ¿dio la oposicion alguna solucion en ese preciso momento?..NO
entonces...que responsabilidad le dan a un gobierno que se encuentra este "sarao" en sus aguas, ¿ haberlo metido en la ria de pontevedra?...¿o en la de vigo?, claro...a lo mejor los pontevedreses o los vigeses lo habrian aplaudido... ¡OH QUE BIEN¡ ¿o habrian dado casi un golpe de estado?...por que....tampoco era culpa de ellos.....¿de quien era la culpa? ¿SAVE USTED LO QUE PASA?....que a toro pasado todos son ingenieros mediambietales......y como bien dice usted me quedo con la respuesta que hubo y con la reaccion de arreglar las cosas en un tiempo record para la desgracia que paso. Ya ve caso parecido fue el del mar egeo y todavia queda gente por cobrar indemnizaciones ¿que van 14 años?.

Pero sr Chibuli , ¿no fue hace tres años?...... ¿no esta practicamente solucionado?a que viene ahora estas tonterias de me dijo que no dijo.......¿se dan cuenta ustedes que a raiz de este incidente el pp aprobo el plan galicia con un monton de millones en inversiones para galicia? ¿save usted quien a parado ese plan y mas de 200 obras empezadas en galicia? si sr, chibuli sea usted pragmatico y muestre interes por su tierra.....ESO LE HONRA

 

[Cocodrilo feliz]

Los radioaficionados tenemos un código no escrito que dice que no debemos de hablar en la radio ni de religión, ni de política ni de sexo. Casi se cumple. El problema es que tener el pico cerrado supone autocensura, y eso le viene bien a los que, todos los días por todos los medios de comunicación nos imparten consignas. Catequizarnos desde consignas es pretender que vivamos en una dictadura. Como he vivido la mayor parte de mi vida bajo una dictadura, hoy, no trago.

El chapapote, como las muertes del Alto Tajo o los miles de incendios de los montes de Galicia, son un tema campista. Tan campista como que son cuestiones que afectan al medio en el que desenvolvemos nuestra afición. Entonces, traer a un foro campista estos temas es correcto.

Si alguien me ve tirando los químicos del retrete a una cuneta o a un descampado, me puede decir que soy sucio, insolidario, irrespetuoso y que constituyo un peligro para la naturaleza. Si lo que alguien nos tira a todos por encima son varios miles de toneladas de chapapote y causan un desastre ambiental y económico, lo que se le puede decir al responsable ya no cabe en estos párrafos. Si un político que ejerce como vicepresidente de un gobierno, y gallego para más datos, nos cuenta que eso no tiene importancia y que son apenas unos hilillos de plastilina, la indignación de quienes amamos la naturaleza ha de ser inmensa. Si al cabo de tres años no ha perdido perdón públicamente, y porque alguien aporta nuevos, explícitos y lamentables datos, nos dice para él, “esto es de risa”, sea cuál sea la tendencia política de cualquier español que lo haya escuchado no puede tener otra actitud que la repulsa, y que si tuviese vergüenza se hubiese retirado de la vida pública. Más, si cabe, cuando se pasa por los medios de comunicación, diariamente, repartiendo estopa y explicándonos cómo se debe gobernar España. Y como no es el único, y no se retiran, los otros del “a lo mojó”, son igual de irresponsables y repudiables que él. Sin duda, en esa tendencia política hay políticos mejor preparados y menos contaminados.

Virgilio: el marisco que comes cuando vienes a Galicia no es “de la ría” como era antes; es de Carrefour, como el que puedes encontrar en cualquier súper de cualquier punto de España. El “de la ría” escasea y se paga a precio prohibitivo para la mayoría de los españoles. Ese marisco que te ha parecido tan limpio viene de Brasil, de Mozambique y otros países. El chapapote siempre lo hubo en todas las playas, cierto, pero no en la medida que lo hay ahora. Y repito: “lo hay ahora”. El único imbécil que vio “las playas esplendorosas” fue el mismo del Yack-52. Lo peor de ese visionario es que, además, comulga todos los días y piensa que Dios está de su parte. Yo creo que no, que está de la mía; y no olvides nunca que “Dios y yo, somos mayoría absoluta”.

Y me callo. Porque no quiero parecer que le falto al respeto a ningún campista, que estáis, cada cual, en vuestro derecho al credo que mejor os guste, en religión y en política. Espero que repases lo que has escrito, amigo Virgilio, el tono en que has escrito y el desprecio que se percibe hacia los que no comulgamos con ruedas de molino. Cuando vengas por mi tierra, como has hecho muchas veces, trataré de invitarte a un marisco que de bueno que estará, pensarás que es “de la ría”, pero comprobarás que lo he cocinado con cierta habilidad, aunque lo haya comprado en Carrefour.

Cordiales saludos.

 

[Kiyo]

No seamos ilusos, por defender políticas, religiones, mitos y equipos futboleros unos se pelean y se matan mientras que los políticos, papas, brujos, obispos y presis de clubes comen y brindan juntos.

Todos los políticos, papas, obispos y periódicos venden un tipo de moto en función de sus intereses, la cuestión está en respetar que cada uno sea libre de comprar la moto que prefiera, o dejar a los que, como yo, abogan por que se metan la moto por el culo, sea PP, PSOE, cristiano, moro o del atleti.

Practiquemos la sensatez y dejemos las gilipolleces para aquellos que no sean capaces de pensar por sí mismos, como fundamentalistas religiosos, extremistas políticos, terroristas, ultras futboleros y demás tarados de la raza humana.

En el prestige hubo fallos graves y en el incendio de Guadalajara también, ni una ni otra catástrofe hacen mejores a los políticos del bando opuesto al que gobernaba en cada momento ¿o si?

un para las señoras y otro para los señores

 

[barullo]

NO MAS POLITICA

NO MAS POLITICA

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[virgilio]

Amigo Cocodrilo , porque creo puedo llamarte amigo, nos conocemos ya va algunos años y creo que los dos savemos donde estamos , fijate bien en todo lo que he puesto y en el inacapie de que se respete a todos sean de la ideologia que sean , yo se de sobras que a ti no te cmbencere , a tus años ya tendria gracia jejeje, de tus ideas .....ni tu de las mias, pero no creo haber faltado al respeto a nadie en todo el hilo ni haber puesto palabras mal sonantes, si las hay fijate que no son mias...no te confundas.....y por cierto y sin que te enfades.....el imbecil del yak-42 te refieres al comandante del avion ¿no? porque segun todas las investigaciones no fallo el avion....fue herror de la tripulacion al hacer la maniobra de acercamineto...y estrellarse contra una colina.
Por otro lado conociendome como me conoces y sabiendo de me aficion " glotonopanzoideagurmetada" dudes en mi capacidad de distinguir del exquisito y fino marisco autoctono gallego....del basto e insaboro de importacion...aunque lo "bañen tres meses" en aguas gallegas

 

[xosero]

saludos

eso hablar del marisco trae mejor sabor de boca.

regado eso si con abundante albariño.

los postres, licores y el cafe de pota.....

 

[joel david]

Veo que como siempre, los temas que están relacionados, en mayor en menor grado, con la politica, son los que causan mayor diferencia de opiniones, como por otra parte , no podía ser de otra manera, bueno menos mal que no hablamos de futból que sino nuestras posiciones serían todavía más distantes.

Es cierto que podría parecer que este no es un tema campista, pero yo creo que sí lo es, porque la naturaleza y el campismo tiene mucho que ver.

Además aunque no lo fuese, este es un foro campista, y la palabra foro viene delante de campista. Y un foro no deja de ser una reunión virtual de amigos; y los amigos, cuando se reunen, hablan de todo aunque muchas veces no estén de acuerdo.

Hay que recordar que el mecanismo de la conversación consiste en hablar y en escuchar y un foro, con su sistema de intervenciones por turnos, refleja perfectamente ese mecanismo y además tiene la ventaja de que nadie puede interrumpir nuestra intervención. Poner una herramienta de conversación tan poderosa al servicio de un solo tema sería casi una aberración.

El accidente del prestige es absolutamente lamentable, como lo son los del Yacolev, los incendios, los asesinatos... los cientos de noticias que nos apabullan todos los días. Porque detrás de cualquier echo existe la posibilidad de haberlo evitado, que si la ley puede negar el transito a petroleros de un solo casco, que si se podía haber tomado la desición de llevarlo a puerto, que si un trasvase en alta mar... que se yo cuantas posibilidades.

Pero lo cierto es que los accidentes terminan ocurriendo y nosotros rápidamente empezamos a conjeturar acerca de quien tiene la culpa y entonces el politico de turno... sea del color que sea, empieza a temblar porque la oposición de turno se ensañará en el echo y porque la opinión pública no entiende de margen de errores ni del riego de tener que tomar desiciones. Y entonces, en ese estado de pánico electoral, tratará por todos los medios de escurrir el bulto, con la verdad, con la omisión de la verdad, con las medias verdades, con la mentira, con la inculpación ajena, con la desviación de la atención, con una cortina de humo. Con exactamente las mismas armas que de seguro emplearán sus adversarios politicos, los directos y los indirectos, los de su porpio partido y los de los demás partidos, solo un pequeño grupo de leales partidarios de su ascenso o mantenimiento politico, empujados por al ansia de aumentar la sombra del arbol al que se han arrimado, intentará comprender y defender ese craso error.

Porque, no os equivoqueis, los políticos no ven las cosas como el resto de los cuidadanos, las ven todas con el filtro del juego politico, y ese es un filtro que no deja ver más alla de comisiones, prebendas, votos, escaños, subvenciones, recalificaciones, contratos, fondos de cohesión y un montón más de palabras sin sentido para la gente de a pie.

Y en ese juego nosotros somos los peones, contribuyentes que no cuidadanos, votantes que no personas. Por eso nos prestan algo de atención, y se empeñan en hacernos creer en lo que dicen, que por cierto casi nunca coincide con lo que hacen, para que nos convirtamos en militantes diario de su arenga.

Y nosotros, crédulos por naturaleza, nos dejamos involucrar en ese juego, creyendo que aquél o el otro o tal vez la mezcla de los dos, nos mejorará la ida, y dejamos de hablarnos con el vecino sólo porque es de otra ideología y nos peleamos en el bar con los amigos porque no entienden nada de nada.

al final le tendré que dar la razón a Obelix:

están locos estos humanos

 

[choquero]

Amigos, por eso puse en mi anterior mensaje lo que puse a sabiendas por viejo que iba a ocurrir esta disparidad de criterios que es buena pero que a mi entender no es el lugar oportuno aunque el webmaster diga lo contrario, pero es que todavia tiene las neuronas movidas del manteo en Aracena,venga a sacar todo lo bueno que tenemos dentro y viva los campistas tolerantes un saludo desde Huelva la capital del choco

 

[Cocodrilo feliz]

Virgilio: Te has referido a manipulaciones, a prensa no se qué, etc. ¿Por qué? ¿Son mejores los periódicos del típo ese de la "lluvia dorada"?

Lo que se ha planteado en este hilo es el valor de la conversación de dos autoridades, apenas dos horas después del primer SOS. Ese dato no coincide para nada con lo que se informó oficialmente en el Congreso. Una de esas dos autoridades manifiesta que hay una consigna de alejar el buque y que sólo queda rezar. No se habla para nada de llevarlo a ningún puerto. Para mayor verguenza, se dice claramente que los remolcadores españoles no sirven para nada... que hay que llamar a los de Francia y Holanda.

Sobre que esto ocurrió hace tres años, el sumario está abierto y la subcomisión política también. Ahora mismo tenemos un caso casi folkórico si no fuese el saqueo que supuso, del ex alcalde de Marbella, Julián Muñoz: si todo lo que hizo ocurrió hace 6 años e incluso ha sido encontrado culpable e inhabilitado ¿a qué viene seguir investigando lo que ocurrió hace 6 años?

La mentira, es cierto que tiene las patas muy cortas. Aznar señaló a su sucesor, como hizo el "otro", y no escogió al mejor. El mejor está fuera de España. Es de los que no tragan.

Y con esto y un bizcocho, me voy a poner la mesa que me reclama la "mamá osa".

Salutem pluriman patós.

 

[Chibuli]

Pregunte por Galicia,y no sea demagogo.
Agradezco su punto de vista desde el intercambio de opiniones democraticamente hablando,pero creo que deberia ser objetivo y vasarse en la realidad y no en palabras vanas y hechos no realizados,por cierto las infraectucturas a las que hace referencia,estaban aprobadas antes de y vino muy bien apuntarse el tanto.
Gracias ,Saludos.

 

[virgilio]

Sr Chimuli, me dice usted en su respuesta que parte de esas infraestructuras estaban aprobadas....pero ¿se han parado? , me dice usted que pregunte en galicia....yo miro el resultado de las ultimas elecciones...¿las recuerda usted?....¿quien las gano? ...¿que partido fue ampliamente el mas votado?.... y eso que hay que reconocer que el sr. Fraga.....ya sobraba hace unos años.......pues con esa respuesta democratica me quedo, corrijame ustede si me equivoco.

 

[Chibuli]

Sr,Virgilio,si yo le corrigiera,esto no seria un dialogo,sino una imposición,y como no es mi estilo,no lo hago,pero si decirle,aunque sea redundar en lo ya dicho anteriormente por unos cuantos compañeros,que esta muy claro quien mintio,y lo que es peor,no en un periodico si no,en el congreso.En fin lo realmente lamentable,fue y sera el daño ecologico para las costas Españolas.Saludos.

 

[barullo]

y que os parece lo de la bomba nuclear que se ha caido al mar??????????????????????

 

[tetejose]

Lo peor de todo es que las catástrofes ecológicas y de las otras siguen produciendose y los presentados en las listas por los partidos políticos siguen siendo los mismos, los dos representantes de esta farsa en el caso del Prestige, los señores Caldera y Rajoy que deberían haber sido eliminados de las listas por sus propios partidos ¿cayeron en desgracia política? mira que es gorda la cosa PROGRESARON!!!!!!....es que son alineaciones de equipos que tienen sus hinchas y los apoyan lo hagan bien o lo hagan mal :angryfire: :cwm21:

 

[Chibuli]

Mi conclusion en este tema:

Si todos dejaramos de ver las cosas bajo unas directrices impuestas,si nos dejaramos de colores,formas y medallas sociales,y lo que es mas importante,no fueramos tan hipocritas,y e hicieramos lo que decimos que hacemos,seguro,esto marcharia algo mejor;nos estamos cargando el planeta,y os recuerdo que el planeta no distingue de colores,razas u estatus social, ¿ Que tipo de seres somos ? que somos imcapaces de poner solución a problemas generados por nosotros mismos?,que cambiamos el canto de un pajarillo,por el estruendo de una maquina;que canalizamos un rio a nuestro antojo;que contaminamos lo que luego nos comeremos;¿ Habeis visto a algun animal matar si no es para comer? Hasta los insectos saben,que la union hace la fuerza,y no la destrucción.

Nosotros nos hartamos de llamarnos campistas,demostremoslo.
Saludos y Feliz Navidad. :bigsmurf:

 

[Ilis]

BASTA YA

GENTEEEEE, sin duda lamentable todo eso de que hablais y confiemos en que las deligencias habiertas lleguen, en su momento, a aclararnos las cosas. Hablo claro, para aquellos que como nosotros, no las tenemos tan claras ¿No había un refrán que decía que el tiempo es el único que llega a dar la razón? Bueno, quizá no sea así y solo sea parecido.

A nosotros todo esto, lo qe nos hace es crearnos una gran duda. Nos esplicamos: Estas conversaciones telefónicas ¿No corresponden a materia reservada de los organos del Gobierno o Juzgados? Si, así fuera ¿La Ley de Protección de Datos o la Ley de Procedimiento Judicial no determina a quién corresponde la custodía de los mismos?.

Las catrastrofes pasadas son lamentables, las responsabilidades no asumidas también, pero ¿Que pasa con los diputados de IU que tienen acceso a esta información reservada por ser nuestros representatantes y formar parte de comisiones y subcomisiones, debidamente cumplimentadas económicamente, y que se pasan la legalidad por el forro de ............... poniendola en manos de la prensa, quién a su vez, de forma irresponsable, la publica obligando al Juez Instructor a desmentidos y esplicaciones que deberian quedar restringidas, temporalmente, al sumario? Sumario, que por otro lado, tendrá que determinar la cuantía de las indemnizaciones por daños y quién debe pagarlas ¿Es responsable el partido que facilita argumentos a armadores y aseguradoras para aminorar los pagos de estas indemnizaciones? ¿Es justificación la circunstancia de saver que nunca llegaran al "poder"? A nosotros nos parece que las equivocaciones en las decisiones tomadas no eximen a los que de forma premeditada eluden las revisiones de sus buques y no realizan el mantenimiento debido a los mismos. ¿No debe ser el que obtiene el beneficio el que se responsabilice de las consecuencias? Conste que el beneficio no se restringe a la ganacia económica. Hay otros tipos de beneficio y otros tipos de responsabilidades y, todos ellos deben ser controlados y exijidos.

Por la vida, Ilis